Help! Does Pride and Prejudice fall into the “Love Triangle” trope?!? Tell me its not true! (Discussion)

Before reading this post, here are three things you need to know:

  1. Pride and Prejudice is my favorite book
  2. I strongly dislike love triangles.  (There are a few rare exceptions, but normally they just bug me.)
  3. This post contains spoilers for Pride and Prejudice, so if you somehow don’t know the story then don’t read this post!

Yesterday, I had the most disturbing thought, and it has been bugging me ever sense:

Does Pride and Prejudice contain a love triangle?!?

I blame Kay @ Hammock of Books for putting this awful idea into my head!!!! (just kidding I love her blog you should check it out!) She wrote a very interesting post about if ships are spoilers or not.  She had a great example where a ship consisting of people in a love triangle could spoil who ends up with who.

I was trying to come up with non-love triangle examples, so obviously I tried to think of one in Pride and Prejudice.  (its always my starting place) I thought to myself “If I had known that Darcy and Elizabeth ended up together would it have spoiled the story?”

It has been so long since the first time I read Pride and Prejudice that I honestly don’t remember. Though, I think that it probably would have.  Elizabeth has so many potential suitors – Mr. Collins, Mr. Wickham, Mr. Darcy, and even Colonel Fitzwilliam for a bit. But does that make a love triangle?

I looked up the definition of Love Triangle.

According to Wikipedia there are two main forms of love triangles:

  1. The rivalrous triangle, where the lover is competing with a rival for the love of the beloved
  2. The split-object triangle, where a lover has split their attention between two love objects”

By these definitions, Pride and Prejudice has TONS of love triangles

  1. Elizabeth / Darcy / Wickham
  2. Elizabeth / Darcy / Collins
  3. Elizabeth / Darcy / Colonel Fitzwilliam
  4. Elizabeth / Wickham / Collins
  5. Elizabeth / Wickham / Colonel Fitzwilliam
  6. Elizabeth / Wickham / Collins
  7. Elizabeth / Charlotte / Collins
  8. Elizabeth / Lydia / Wickham
  9. Elizabeth / Darcy / Caroline
  10. Elizabeth / Darcy / Anne de Bourgh
  11. Caroline / Darcy / Anne de Bourgh
  12. Charles / Jane / Georgiana
  13. Collins / Jane / Elizabeth

I am probably missing some but that is a LOT!!!

In case you are curious, here is a really helpful relationship map for Pride and Prejudice:

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Source: Wikipedia

Wikipedia even goes on to mention that “Love triangles can either be relatively balanced, in which the two candidates each have a fair chance of ending up with the protagonist, or they can be lopsided, in which the hero or heroine has an obvious romantic interest in one of the candidates” That strengthens the argument that Pride and Prejudice contains Love Triangles!

I don’t want to accept this! But even the definition of “trope” doesn’t help me!

“A literary trope is the use of figurative language, via word, phrase or an image, for artistic effect such as using a figure of speech. The word trope has also come to be used for describing commonly recurring literary and rhetorical devices, motifs or clichés in creative works.”

Source: Wikipedia

So I guess I will have to accept the fact that Pride and Prejudice has love triangles

Buuuuutt! I will make myself feel better about it because I still don’t think that Pride and Prejudice falls into the spirit of the traditional Love Triangle Trope!

When I think of Love Triangles I think of Twilight, The Hunger Games, and The Remnant Chronicles.  I don’t think of Pride and Prejudice.  When someone says “Love Triangle Trope” I think of the over the top, drug out, excruciating choice that never gets made.  It doesn’t refer to the basis of multiple suitors and possible love interests.

So TECHNICALLY Pride and Prejudice contains love triangles, but I REFUSE to believe that it falls into the Love Triangle Trope.

What do you think? Let me know! I really want to know! Please tell me I am not crazy!

Please tell me that Pride and Prejudice does not fall under the Love Triangle trope?!?

 

Shabby Sunday: Tisha

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Shabby Sunday was created by Mischenko @ Read, Rant, Rock & Roll, and is a meme to feature an old book on your bookshelf!  For my first ever Shabby Sunday I am going to spotlight “Tisha” by by Robert Specht:

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I got this book from my Great-Grandma and it has an address label with her name and old address inside.  I don’t remember how I ended up with this book.  She probably let us raid her collection one time and I probably just grabbed a couple random books.

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It has 1977 and 8ar handwritten on the inside.  I’m guessing 1977 is the year she got it but I don’t have any idea what the 8ar is? Does anybody know?

Inside there was also a newspaper article:

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Originally held in the book with a pink heart sticker, the article is about Anne Purdy.  Purdy is the main character of the book, which is a “biographical account of her life in Alaska, written with the collaboration of Robert Specht.” (according to the article)  The article is dated March 27, 1977.

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I discovered the article and the address label when I was checking for hidden covers for my Hidden Covers post.  I had no idea they were there!! I never had any desire to read this book, but now that I know my Great-Grandma had taken the care to cut out the an article and put it with the book, I am curious.  I probably won’t get to it anytime soon, but it is now on my TBR!

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I wish my Great-Grandma was alive so I can ask her if she read it, and if she had any connection to it, or if she just liked the story.  I have no idea why she had this, or even if she ever read it, and I have no way to find out.  But I am glad I have it.  If nothing else I know we shared a love of books!

Friday Face-Off: Smoke

This is a weekly meme created by Books by Proxy, but kept up by Lynn’s Book Blog.

“Where there’s fire there’s… ”

This weeks theme: A cover featuring smoke.

My Choice: The Complete Sherlock Holmes

Happy 4/20!!!!

For those of you that don’t know, in the USA, April 20th is “weed day.”  In Colorado weed is legal so on 4/20 there are huge rallies and parties downtown where everyone gets high.  I don’t do weed (in any form) so I won’t be participating but I know a few people who will be lighting up today.

I don’t know if it was planned or not, but “smoke” is a fitting theme for 4/20 haha.  I couldn’t find a good cover for smoking weed, so I chose a cover with just normal smoking.  The classic Sherlock Holmes!

Covers:

Penguin Books Limited 1981 | Penguin Books 2009 | Penguin UK 1983 | Thomas & Mercer 2012
Bantam Classics 1986 | Simon & Schuster UK 2012 | Barnes & Noble Classics 2011 | General Press 2015
Bedford Park Books 2010 | Top Five Books 2014 | ? 2016 | ? 2014
? 2016 | Doubleday 1960 | Mapleleaf Books 2013 | AB Books 2018
Barnes & Noble 2015 | Newton Compton 2009 | Vintage Classics 2009 | Bantam Doubleday 1992
? 2013 | Dorset Press 1988 | Book House 2016 | Gramercy Books 2002
Doubleday & Company 2009 | ? 2015 | Geddes & Grosset 2002 | MobileReference 2008

Goodreads has 318 different editions of The Complete Sherlock Holmes! I picked the first ish 28, and am going to pick from those! But there are TONS of other covers!

Top 8:

The way I normally format these posts I usually pick a top 4, but I couldn’t decide on only 4!

Winner:

I couldn’t decide on just one! I really like simplicity of the first one, but I love the overall feel of the second! They are both awesome!

Which cover is your favorite? Do you agree with my picks?

 

First Impression Friday – The Wendy & Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda

First Impression Friday is a meme created by J.W. Martin where you spotlight a book you have recently started and share your initial impressions.

I have two books this week! The Wendy and Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda! I started both last night and am super excited!


The Wendy

by Erin Michelle Sky and Steven Brown

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I am 70% of the way through this book, so I am a little past first impressions, but I read all 70% last night so it still counts!

  • My first first impression was that the cover is awesome! I love it!  Wendy looks so bad-ass and I loved her before I even started reading!
  • My second first impression (once I started reading) was that Wendy is exactly as I hoped she would be! She is awesome!
  • When we are first introduced to Peter Pan he seemed older and more mature than he is normally portrayed, but the more you get to know him the more you see his childish side.
  • At first The Wendy didn’t feel like a Peter Pan re-telling, but the farther we get into the story, the more it follows the traditional storyline.
  • I really like the writing.  Its rare that I notice the writing style, but I really like it in this story.  Its lighthearted and intriguing.  Its told as if the narrator is talking to you and its hard to explain, but I like it!
  • I am a little worried that there is a LOT that needs to happen to complete and not enough book left to complete it in! I am 70% of the way through! I can’t wait to see how everything plays out and I really hope it doesn’t end with the story unfinished!
  • Also what happened to Charlie?

I am reading The Wendy as part of Reader Fox’s April Readalong! If you want to participate its not to late to join! The Wendy is a fairly easy read so it should be easy to get caught up!


Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda (Audiobook)

by: Becky Albertalli

Narrated by: Michael Crouch

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I am only 16% of the way through Simon.  I listened to it on the way home from work last night and the way to work this morning.

  • I like it so far!
  • Martin seems like a jerk, and I don’t like him, and it bugs me that Abby might be mislead into being with him
  • I want to know who Blue is!  I don’t think Simon’s prediction is right because that would be too easy, I think it will be a twist.
  • I want to know more about Nora, she seems like she is going to be super important.
  • I don’t like the voice of the guy narrating, he is kind of annoying.

My thoughts on The Wendy were a lot more in depth haha, but I am a lot further into it.


Have you read either of these? Did you like them?  Please no spoilers!

My love/hate relationship with series

Welcome to my first ever discussion post!!!!

Do you love series? Do you hate series? Do you fall somewhere in the middle?

Did you know that “Series” is the plural of “Series”? And that “serieses” is not a word?

I am the kind of person that falls in the middle.  There are some things I love about series and some things I hate. And it bugs me way more than it should that “serieses” is not a word!

Before I get into the pros and cons of series, lets see some stats*:

  • Series I Started: 84
  • Series I Finished: 31
  • Series I didn’t finish because all the books weren’t released at the time: 25
  • Series I only read one book from: 17
  • Series that I lost interest: 11
  • Books Read: 266

Here is a lovely pie chart:

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* These stats are based off my “master list” of books I have read but I started the list in 2016 so it is not even close to being complete.  It was impossible to remember and list every book I had ever read

 

 

Cons:

  • Waiting for the next book to be released – I did not finish 30% of the series I started because the final books weren’t released.  That is a lot! I hate waiting for new books to come out! Especially if the previous book ended on a cliffhanger!  Of the 25 series I didn’t finish for this reason I will probably only end up finishing 4 of them.  The others, it has been too long and I don’t have the time/energy/desire to re-read the rest of the series in order to finish it.
  • Too many books – Some series (like Sookie Stackhouse and Stephanie Plum) just have too many books.  They are too time consuming to read them all and eventually I lose interest and want to read something different.
  • Not Reading them in order – Most series you have to read in order.  Other series (mostly romances) you don’t.  But even if you don’t need to read them in order for the book to make sense, you might spoil previous books by reading out of order.  I have the tendency to accidentally read a book in the middle of a series.  IF A BOOK IS NOT THE FIRST BOOK IN A SERIES THEY SHOULD MAKE IT VERY CLEAR ON THE COVER!!! (just sayin’)
  • Cutting up a story – One of my biggest pet peeves is when a story is chopped up into multiple books without each book having its own plot.  Each book should have its own story that lends to the overall larger story. Sometimes its a subtle difference, but it can make or break a series for me.  For example, In Harry Potter and the Scorer’s Stone, Harry beats the challenges and protects the stone.  Yes, he doesn’t defeat Voldy, but something was still accomplished! That is how books in a series should work!  They can all work toward one final goal, but something should still happen in each book!

Pros:

  • Less Book Hangovers – usually when I get a book hangover it is after reading a stand-alone book.  When I am finished I feel like I need more, but there isn’t more to be had.  With series you have more books! If you can read the whole series at once it is way more satisfying and you aren’t left with as much of a void.  (or maybe you are left with one large void instead of 7 little ones haha)
  • Growing with the character – I grew up with Harry Potter. I was 8 ish and harry was 11 when I started reading the first book. By the time the series was over Harry was 18 and I was 16. We grew and aged together and it was awesome!
  • Character Growth – Obviously you can’t grow with the characters in every series, I was extremely lucky with HP, but character growth is still better in series.  A character can grow more in 7 books than they can in 1.
  • Relationships – A lot of books have to speed up the formation of relationships (both platonic and romantic) in order to make it interesting, but it is not realistic.  You don’t “find” your best friend or soul mate in the span of a few days or even a year.  You have to build those relationships and that takes a long time.  In series you get to see relationships bud at a more reasonable pace.
  • World building – There are two parts to this.  One is that you get to learn more about the world as the books progress.  You get to see and learn so much more in multiple books.  The second is that you don’t have to start from scratch and have long explanations in each book.  Once the building blocks are laid the author can expand and enhance instead of starting over each time.

So to sum it all up, I like series as long as all the books are released when I am ready for them and as long as each book has its own story.  If the series is REALLY good then I don’t mind waiting for the next release (tho I still don’t want to) but if the series is just ok it won’t survive a break.

What do you think about series? What Pros and Cons did I miss? What is your favorite series? Let me know!

Godsgrave

Godsgrave

by Jay Kristoff

***** (5 out of 5)

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Disclaimer: All Amazon Links are affiliate links. If you purchase any of these books through one of my links I will get a small commission! All the thoughts/opinions in this post are mine and in no way influenced by Amazon.

The Nevernight Chronicle Series

Who let me start another unfinished series?!?!  I don’t know if I can wait till September 4th to read Darkdawn!!  I should have known better!!

I can’t remember the last time a book took me on a roller coaster of emotions the way Godsgrave did.

Seriously! There were soooo many ups, downs, twists, and turns!

It was ridiculous! (in a good way)

I seriously don’t know what to say about this book other than it was all over the place!

Thats a lie, haha I know other things I can say 😀

If you read Nevernight you probably remember how the beginning jumped back and fourth between two stories?  One in the present and one in the past?  Godsgrave did the same thing, but not nearly as well.  In Nevernight the stories mirrored each other and the imagery was really cool.  In Godsgrave it was just the past and the present with nothing to tie them together. In Godsgrave the flipping also lasted a lot longer.  (Nevernight was just the first chapter.  Godsgrave I think went about halfway through? I got so engrossed in the story I didn’t noticed when the switching back and fourth stopped) I didn’t like the switching because I kept getting absorbed into the current story and every time it switched I had to re-calibrate my brain and re-adjust.  The switching also always occurred right when something exciting was going down!  It was super annoying! (but not enough to make me lower my opinion of the book)

I also didn’t enjoy the footnotes in Godsgrave as much as the footnotes in Nevernight.  They seemed longer and less important.  I found myself skimming them instead of fully reading them, and I rarely skim when I read.  At one point the narrator actually makes fun of the reader, in the footnote, for reading the footnote.  It was clever and funny, but it just goes to show how unimportant the footnotes were.  (Again this wasn’t enough to make me dock stars because I still LOVED the book!)

Those are the only two bad things I have to say about the book! As always Mia was completely awesome! She is such a kick-butt heroine and I love her and her shadows! (Mr. Kindly is still my favorite!) In Godsgrave we get to see a couple of the original characters from Nevernight but for the most part, the characters are new, and I love them just as much as the originals! There was such a wide range of characters.  Some were good, some were evil, (most were somewhere in between), and some you loved, some you hated (most were somewhere in between).  It was super diverse and that made it so much better!  You might think that with so many characters it would get confusing and hard to keep track, or that the characters wouldn’t have individual personalities, but you would be wrong.  You get to know, understand, and love (or hate) so many different characters, and each one stands out in their own way!

Like I mentioned above, this book was a roller coaster.  There were so many twists and turns it drove me crazy.  It kept me on my toes, and kept me guessing.  For the life of me, I couldn’t figure out what was going to happen next.  I would think I had it all figured out and then, BOOM, another curve ball.  Seriously, this book was genius.

I highly recommend both Nevernight and Godsgrave!!!! They are amazing! Tho I would suggest waiting until mid August to start the series because the third and final book, Darkdawn, doesn’t come out till Sept. 4th, and waiting that long might actually kill me.

 

 

The 2nd Annual Book Blogger Awards

The 2nd Annual Book Blogger Awards are exactly what they sound like! Hosted by Write Through The Night, the awards are specifically for Book Blogs.  Going on now till the 30th is the nomination phase.  The top four bloggers nominated for each category will move on to the voting phase starting May 13th and ending May 20th! If you want to nominate anyone or just see all the cool blogs nominated, go check out the Rules and Categories!

Now for my nominations!!!

THE BLOGGER

  • Best Pre-Teen/Teen Book Blogger (13-19)
  • Best Adult Book Blogger (20+)
  • Best Book Blogger from an Underrepresented/Minority Group

BEST GENRE BLOGS

THE BEST OF BOOK BLOGGING

THE OTHER STUFF

MOST IMPORTANTLY

This was harder than I expected! Pretty much I went through my most visited blogs and tried to find a category for them! I am awful at making decisions tho so I can’t pick a best overall book blogger!  If I missed anyone I am super sorry!

P.S. If you are participating and are having trouble finding a new blogger I found over 20 that I follow and I can send you the list!